To: REDACTED, Tom Wigley <REDACTED>
Subject: Re: Schles suggestion
Date: Wed Dec 3 13:57:09 2008
Cc: mann <REDACTED>, Gavin Schmidt <REDACTED>, Karl Taylor <REDACTED>, peter gleckler <REDACTED>
When the FOI requests began here, the FOI person said we had to abide
by the requests. It took a couple of half hour sessions - one at a screen, to convince
showing them what CA was all about. Once they became aware of the types of people we were
dealing with, everyone at UEA (in the registry and in the Environmental Sciences school
- the head of school and a few others) became very supportive. I've got to know the FOI
person quite well and the Chief Librarian - who deals with appeals. The VC is also
aware of what is going on - at least for one of the requests, but probably doesn't know
the number we're dealing with. We are in double figures.
One issue is that these requests aren't that widely known within the School. So
I don't know who else at UEA may be getting them. CRU is moving up the ladder of
requests at UEA though - we're way behind computing though. We're away of
requests going to others in the UK - MOHC, Reading, DEFRA and Imperial College.
So spelling out all the detail to the LLNL management should be the first thing
you do. I hope that Dave is being supportive at PCMDI.
The inadvertent email I sent last month has led to a Data Protection Act request sent by
a certain Canadian, saying that the email maligned his scientific credibility with his
If he pays 10 pounds (which he hasn't yet) I am supposed to go through my emails
and he can get anything I've written about him. About 2 months ago I deleted loads of
emails, so have very little - if anything at all. This legislation is different from the
it is supposed to be used to find put why you might have a poor credit rating !
In response to FOI and EIR requests, we've put up some data - mainly paleo data.
Each request generally leads to more - to explain what we've put up. Every time, so
far, that hasn't led to anything being added - instead just statements saying read
what is in the papers and what is on the web site! Tim Osborn sent one such
response (via the FOI person) earlier this week. We've never sent programs, any codes
In the UK, the Research Assessment Exercise results will be out in 2 weeks time.
These are expensive to produce and take too much time, so from next year we'll
be moving onto a metric based system. The metrics will be # and amounts of grants,
papers and citations etc. I did flippantly suggest that the # of FOI requests you get
should be another.
When you look at CA, they only look papers from a handful of
people. They will start on another coming out in The Holocene early next year. Gavin
and Mike are on this with loads of others. I've told both exactly what will appear on
CA once they get access to it!
At 01:17 03/12/2008, Ben Santer wrote:
I think that the idea of a Commentary in Science or Nature is a good one. Steve Sherwood
made a similar suggestion. I'd be perfectly happy NOT to be involved in such a
Commentary. My involvement would look too self-serving.
One of the problems is that I'm caught in a real Catch-22 situation. At present, I'm
damned and publicly vilified because I refused to provide McIntyre with the data he
requested. But had I acceded to McIntyre's initial request for climate model data, I'm
convinced (based on the past experiences of Mike Mann, Phil, and Gavin) that I would
have spent years of my scientific career dealing with demands for further explanations,
additional data, Fortran code, etc. (Phil has been complying with FOIA requests from
McIntyre and his cronies for over two years). And if I ever denied a single request for
further information, McIntyre would have rubbed his hands gleefully and written: "You
see - he's guilty as charged!" on his website.
You and I have spent over a decade of our scientific careers on the MSU issue, Tom.
During much of that time, we've had to do science in "reactive mode", responding to the
latest outrageous claims and inept science by John Christy, David Douglass, or S. Fred
Singer. For the remainder of my scientific career, I'd like to dictate my own research
agenda. I don't want that agenda driven by the constant need to respond to Christy,
Douglass, and Singer. And I certainly don't want to spend years of my life interacting
with the likes of Steven McIntyre.
I hope LLNL management will provide me with their full support. If they do not, I'm
fully prepared to seek employment elsewhere.
With best regards,
Tom Wigley wrote:
Re the idea Michael sent around (to Revkin et al.)
this is something that Nature or Science might like
as a Commentary. It might even be possible to include
some indirect reference to the Mc audit issue. The
notes I sent could be a starting point. One problem
is that you could not be first author as this would
look like garnering publicity for your own work (as
the 2 key papers are both Santer et al.) Even having
me as the first author may not work. An ideal person
would be Tom Karl, who sent me a response saying "nice
What do you think?
Benjamin D. Santer
Program for Climate Model Diagnosis and Intercomparison
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
P.O. Box 808, Mail Stop L-103
Livermore, CA 94550, U.S.A.
Tel: (925) 422-3840
FAX: (925) 422-7675
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0)REDACTED
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0)REDACTED
University of East Anglia
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