date: Tue Aug 3 15:51:43 2004
from: Phil Jones <REDACTED
subject: Re: stuff
to: "Michael E. Mann" <REDACTED
Will certainly ignore Legates and told Timo to stop emailing me. Heard that M&M were
going for the others - mainly because they don't put up their data. Lonnie has now, but
M&M misinterpreted it. McIntyre said the RoG plots were one decade out. They weren't -
McIntyre had it wrong. Lonnie's wed page was easy to misinterpret. Luckily I got them from
Ellen, who explained them all. I also compared them with the plots in Lonnie's paper. That
should have shown M where he was wrong !
Haven't heard from Tom C for ages. Agree it will help along with Caspar.
All these lot seem to have their own little email circuit. The FoE director here in
suggested that Bellamy read the IPCC report. Also made the point that if he feels ill he
to a doctor - ergo, if he wants to know about climate he goes to a climatologist ! There
a lot of people out there who think just because they know one science, they can
all other sciences !
At 10:23 03/08/REDACTED
, you wrote:
Well, Legates "paper" won't pass the laugh test. I suggest we ignore it and allow it to
die the death of silence. It won't be worth our time responding. He's already
discredited himself by publishing this on a right wing web site, so full of mistakes. If
I were you, I would discontinue any further correspondence you might have had w/
Legates, the Finn, or any of these other idiots. They're simply going to save up your
emails and try to take anything you said out of context...
Apparently, M&M are now going after Crowley, Jacoby, Lonnie, and others.
Once the various papers (J. Climate paper and Ammann/Wahl) appear (well in time for
inclusion in IPCC) it will basically establish that they lack no credibility--it should
allow us to say that they've already been discredited once (re their criticism of
MBH98), and have destroyed any future credibility they might have in further criticisms
of Mann and Jones (2003), etc.
By the way, when is Tom C going to formally publish his roughly 1500 year
reconstruction??? It would help the cause to be able to refer to that reconstruction as
confirming Mann and Jones, etc...
This Bellamy guy sounds like he's right up there w/ the rest of these losers (I've never
heard of him). I think that they may now finally have gone just far enough to
permanently descredit themselves w/ the latest round of baseless attacks, since they
have been exposed as having gotten even the most basic facts wrong...
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0)REDACTED
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0)REDACTED
University of East Anglia